[Mackenzie]: I agree with Peregrinus the most. Theach our children not to destroy the world as it will try to destry them , but to try to change it. To show compassion and love to all, but don't let them take advantage. Raise Your kids to Change the world. Start the joib, raise your kids to continue it, and they'll raise there kids to further it. The conservativesa lready do this, so if we want to cahange the world, we can't go along with it. we have to tell our children the truth, not fool them, in hopes that maybe the world will change for the better, because that may not ever happen, But I sure as hell aint letting those bastards destroy it without putting up a fight. (pardon my french)

[Woah!-man]: you're pardoned... the only way to change is to be honest about everything, and reject some modern virtues O_o

[LivingdeadJC]: I don't just hate Bush, I hate all politics. I hate the damn Government.

[Woah!-man]: but you need a govt. sorry. anarchy doesnt work *hides*

[VorpalBlade910]: lol Anarcy in the U.K lol sorry...i was just listening to the song....

[Peregrinus]: No, anarchy doesn't work. But most governments don't really either. As much as I rant about kindness and change in the world, I don't really think it will ever happen. This world is on a path to destruction, and I don't believe anything will stop that now. But that certainly doesn't mean we should abandon our ethics... yeesh... now I' just rambling...

[Woah!-man]: *smiles* ethics are debatable.

[Peregrinus]: How so?

[Woah!-man]: depends what you were raised with and or have discovered for your self. while some ppl may have ethics in common, it isnt all the same. >_>

[Peregrinus]: Well, wehn I say ethics, I'm talking about things like human dignity, tolerance, kindness, and the like.

[Woah!-man]: mmmm.... i see... well, on my point i say they're stilll... debatable *smiles* but theres a few things that i see differently ^^ like your ideas though

[Peregrinus]: This I can see. But thank you.

[Mackenzie]: I need ethics, so my life doesn't go down the tubes. I don't want to spend my whole life just trying to fix it.

[Mackenzie]: Anarchy can work. It would work as well as anything else possibly better.

[Peregrinus]: Heh, I'd love to see someone try.

[Peregrinus]: Anarchy means that we would have no system in place to mediate our human nature of greed. Everyone would steal kill and lie, instead of just the politicians and criminals. It would be chaos.

[Woah!-man]: theres always a system. even in families. i dont care what ppl say, in my eyes, anarchy is impossible

[Peregrinus]: Agreed.

[Mackenzie]: It wouldn't be though. People would chose order over chaos

[Peregrinus]: Hah! That's funny! Um... sorry... you really think so? Actually, I agree. In fact, they already did. I mean, early man livedin a form of anarchy, so they created order. Called government.

[Woah!-man]: lets think.. early man was not as intellegent (meaning .. our kind of intellegent) ... but he did have order. as in male being leader to retrieve food and women being the cooks and makers and what not. we have only refined that idea. anarchy means complete chaos, in a sence, every man for himself... but thats just never going to happen. for some reason, there are a few good souls out there.

[Mackenzie]: no.... anarchy does not mean chaos!! who told you that?

[Woah!-man]: i have. its my perception of anarchy.

[Peregrinus]: What do you define anarchy as?

[Woah!-man]: chaos. what point would it to be to have no govt? no control? i mean... chaos.. is what anarchy is.

[Peregrinus]: No, I mean Mackenzie...

[Mackenzie]: No... Its not chaos. Our government is Chaos. Anarchy is not having a ruler.

[Peregrinus]: Dictionary.com defines anarchy as:  Absence of any form of political authority.

[Woah!-man]: o.O there is no ruler in what the u.s. has. its on a system called checks n ballence .. just depends which party has the house/executive in order to make extremely rash disicions..

[Peregrinus]: OR... Political disorder and confusion.

[Peregrinus]: OR... Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.

[Woah!-man]: lol.... i like it ^_^

[Mackenzie]: No... You are brainwashed

[Peregrinus]: What on earth is that supposed to mean?

[Woah!-man]: whose brainwashed now?

[Mackenzie]: Oryx, you are brain washed to believe that our current institution actually works.

[Woah!-man]: lol. brainwashed by whom ?

[Mackenzie]: The media, and pretty much everyone else who believes it.

[Woah!-man]: ahhh, so you think im brainwashed by tv and people around? yes, i think this is an insult O_o

[Mackenzie]: Not to you.

[Woah!-man]: but abroad *bows*

[Mackenzie]: its an insult to the brainwashers

[Woah!-man]: is that yourself, or everyone else? everysoul you meet brainwashes, and in return is brainwashed.

[Mackenzie]: er... that cannot be proven

[Woah!-man]: yes, it is. is brainwashing not influencing? have you known a person who hasnt influenced you in the least bit?

[Mackenzie]: I did not mean influencing though. I know influencing is true.

[littlechichibean]: can you believe this newest thing that bush has messed up trying to get the ban on logging lifted

[Woah!-man]: O_O what the hell?

[littlechichibean]: http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/13/forest.rules.change.ap.ap/index.html  go there it explains it all

[Alkor]: okay

[littlechichibean]: i'm a wilderness supporter. I don't believe they should be allowed to log in this places. I'm a big animal rights activist and we're just destroying these animals homes. we already have problems with deer. Why keep making the problem worse, we need to keep these forests intact. that's my opinion

[Mackenzie]: Exactly. He needs to takes his idiot, fucked up nose out of things over his head in understanding

[Weedy]: Mackenzie<<< well that would make him unable to do anything except singing children songs, playing cowboys and indians and doing what other tell him to do....because if the last i must disagree with you.... sadly

[Mackenzie]: yeah... he just does what others tell him

[Weedy]: the problem... if he dident he would be totaly harmless like any other retard...

[littlechichibean]: i wish he was totally harmless, instead of that he's a murder and has made this country look really really bad to all the other countries

[Weedy]: isent that one of the reason we hate him?

[littlechichibean]: yes, but you're not living in the country...so you're not someone who appears to be stupid according to the rest of the world

[Weedy]: true.... my reasons are because his actions is affecting the rest of the world..... in a very bad way!

[littlechichibean]: yes they are and i can't possibly understand why anyone would want to re-elect him. But of course this country lives in it's own illusion. Most of the people here don't think outside of the box. Don't think about the rest of the world and don't even try to research to learn what is being kept from us. I on the other hand scour for what's really going on for hours during the day

[littlechichibean]: i want to know what he's doing this country and how it's affecting us and everyone else but they never tell us this stuff

[Weedy]: i know they dont tell you.... i have seen the american news¨a few times and its amazing what they can leave out or warp into something totaly else..... but then thats just another reason to hate the us.... that and the fact that the general us citizen is so stupid and narrowminded that it scares me....

[littlechichibean]: very true, but there is exceptions to that, i would hope i'm not that stupid and narrowminded, but maybe i am. People here are ignorant and think they're better than everyone else, it's sad!

[Weedy]: ofcourse there is exceptions.... and im glad there are.... if there werent i would properly not be on this site at all.... or in denmark ´for that matter... i would properly sit in the us planning to blow up a few bridges and that kind of stuff because the us would be so screwed up then that they would try to rule the world.... and at the same time i know that we arent that much better here in dk after all.... the only reason people know so much about the world and what happens out there is because dk is sutch a small country so if you dont you know nothing at all.... a thing which scares me... we could actually be like the us...

[littlechichibean]: you could be, and i wish i could tell you whether you were or not, but i really don't watch the news or look stuff up about denmark. Just pray you're not like us. I want to move...somewhere open up a nightclub, change my name and never let anyone know i once lived in the us...but i can't do that yet....probably won't ever be able to because of my parents and family and everyone. but i guess if you're careful in this country and actually think, and try to learn what's going on, it's not so bad, but it's still horrendous!

[Weedy]: i dident espect you to even know where denmark is.... most americans dont..... and your plan to move from the us is not unfamiliar to me at all... allmost all the intellegent people from the us i know either have moved or will move.... something which is maybe good for them but then if all the intellegent move out it only leave the stupid to rule.... which is some serious shit.....

[littlechichibean]: it's true, and i consider moving but i probably won't just because of my family, they come first no matter how stupid the country i live in is. I can get around that. We need to have some intelligent people here. And yes i know where denmark is. most americans just don't care. I care, i'm unlike any other american

[Weedy]: nah... not unlike any other american.... but unlike the general american.... most americans dont care about naything not a part of the us.... and most americans never leave the us.... and if they do its not because they are interested in another culture its just to lord over another culture...

[littlechichibean]: very true, i like to learn other cultures, experience what happens in their life. I think the United States is just too big for their own good. They've had too many successes and fixes and blah blah blahs. That they think they're just indestructable and can do whatever they want to and every country will follow or every country wants this type of government, but they don't let people live their lives when they ask for help give it but Iraq never asked to have a new goverment we just went in and started destroying their homes

[Weedy]: not only is the us big and thing to high for itself.... its a young country by world standards.... every european country have learned its lessons through a 1000 years or more full of wars oppression and cruely.... the us as a country have never learned those lessons and like a teenager it refuse to listen to the elders but belive i know how everythign works untill it make the smae mistakes.....

[littlechichibean]: yup, it's exactly like a teenager, and i'm exactly like that also! It has a lot to learn and it eventually will but for now, in our lifetime and our childrens it will probably just be a living hell

[Weedy]: not if it aint able to learn from its mistakes.... iraq was one of them but the us havent admitted this to itself yet.... and somehow i doubt it will.... never before have a country ben so big and powerfull as the us and that might be what prevent it from at least learning from its mistakes.... which will only make it continue its mistakes untill it make one so big that it break the country or maby the world....

[Woah!-man]: this only makes the us an arrogent place, where we do not admit our mistakes (except vietnam.... most are admitted that was a mistake these days) and a few other things... but for a few more years, iraq will be seen by the greater general population of the us as a defeat O_o but a defeat of what? a smaller nation? *sighs* the us is too everything for its own good... too bad only monkeys and fools run it now, and personally, i wish we could find a way to let other nations help themselves instead of sending ''military help'' (uhh.... right) ...

[littlechichibean]: weedy>> i see exactly where you are coming from, we haven't learned from our mistakes in the past and it won't happen for a while now, that's life. as for oryx>> what you are saying is true, but we never really defeated anyone, the us has only made bigger problems for itself because now the rest of the world finds it a place of arrogant and stupid people. so no we have no defeated anything. we have only made our problem worse.

[Mackenzie]: It wont learn from its mistakes because its a dern fool. The whole country. They are all high! they live in a fantasy world were nothing can hurt them.

[VorpalBlade910]: Busch's bill didn't pass!!!!!!!! gays won!!!! hehe coolers

[Woah!-man]: YAY! GO GAYS ^^ *hehe*

[Mackenzie]: yay!!!!

[littlechichibean]: yay!!!! *jumps up and down giggling*

[Weedy]: great!! bush is going down!

[Alkor]: finnaly.....he sucks as president......Bill Clinton is a better president then bush

[Woah!-man]: yes.... but clinton wasnt the greatest. just better than bush

[Alkor]: yup

[Weedy]: well who was the greatest... all the american presidents sicked big time if you ask me..... clinton did do a great job comparing to many other

[Woah!-man]: mmm.... truman O_o he was pretty decent. he actually tried for civil rights in the millitary O_O

[Absinth Minded]: AHH!!! *swings in on vine* *hits a tree* *hates Bush...!!!*

[Panda-monium]: lol

[Panda-monium]: nice and random like. :P:P

[littlechichibean]: interesting!

[Mackenzie]: mhm, clinton wasnt bad.

[Woah!-man]: o_o quite random

[Mackenzie]: Nah, they were talking about him. I am never random. moo.

[Woah!-man]: o.o i was talking about him as well ^^

[Mackenzie]: Ok

[Maurer's conclusions]: The problem with the US is that their democrats would be considered conservatives in Sweden. However, some of them are good presidents, for example Clinton. The problem is that it is so expensive to run that the Democrats will never have someone from the ranks of the poor or middle-class to run...

[Woah!-man]: no offence, but no one from the poor/middle class will ever run and expect to win.

[Mackenzie]: mhm....they could run but they wouldn't win. The problem is.... anyone who would consider running is not worthy of the job. They are mostly conservitive, or stupid, or pawns of other people, or have the wrong motives. They people who run blatently use up money. Yes, I agree, both democrats and republicans are conservative. I am not. I could run the country, I know alot of people who could, but none of them are stupid enough to do it.

[Woah!-man]: o.O i wouldnt want to run the country. to run is to destroy, you'll be forever judged if you're caught doing anything. especially picking your nose O_o... running a country .... isnt what the jobs about.. its running the military ...o_o... and in order to run a military is to destroy it, the point of an army is? O_o death/violance/chaos... dont get me wrong, i promote those.. just not when you have taxes for it

[Mackenzie]: hmmmm. I hate violence... I am a pacifist.

[Woah!-man]: *smiles at you* violance isnt bad. sometimes its needed in this world (sadly). but not for every case >.>

[Panda-monium]: leave it to an american :P:P Joking [Woah!-man] I said that unpurpose, :P:P

[Alkor]: lol

[Panda-monium]: hehe :P

[Woah!-man]: oh right, all you canadians ... and your accidental prone ... body parts!

[Alkor]: tht was funny

[Woah!-man]: o__o.... *looks around* miss [Panda-monium] out of sheer boredom, i do challenge thee.

[Panda-monium]: lol. hey now, dont bring my accident prone-ness into this *trips over own feet* owww...I would accept thy challenge but I truly must be going, :P

[Absinth Minded]: The problem with the government is that Bush is the pres. He is an idiot.. Anyone got a gun?

[mbdf_virus]: i wish i did

[Absinth Minded]: Hm... *thinks really hard* I got it!! We can buy shrinking powers on eBay. We will sneak up to the 'WH' and we will shrink. Once small, we all jump in Bush's ear and make him give us candy!

[Mackenzie]: All presidents are idiots. Dont get rid of the president, get rid of the institution.

[Absinth Minded]: What e do is we get a bunch of friends to join the government. We buy resistence to brainwashy powers on eBay(they cannot brain washy you then) We work our wasy up to the most powerful spot, and make sure that we have friends in the lower spots to help out. Then we say 'No more government' We turn the pres. into doughnuts.. eat him.. and go aroiund busting out windows and stealing TVs from all Goodwills around America! ^^

[Woah!-man]: i have about 15 >_> not mine.... but they're still in the house *Evil grin*

[Mackenzie]: Ummm.... That Idea might work... if we.... skip... the donut part....... but uh... no it actually wouldn't

[Absinth Minded]: Aww!! And I thought the doughnut part was the best part. You guys can go on doing the rest and I will come and help yoiu steal TV's once I finish the doughnuts then!

[Mackenzie]: er... I dont really think anyof that will work. Good idea though. If you plan on trying it I'll help just for the fun of it.

[Absinth Minded]: Yes!! MWHAHA I have one person in my evil plan!! Well first we have to completly take over the government, and instead of totally demolishing it, we just beomce the leaders and straighten up the country a bit. We have to make sure that good people become pres. because if we get another Bush idiot we will just be totally destroyed. Or we can just destroy the government and watch buildings burn all day and night. We can steal all of the money from the lottery and run away to Germany, bring Hitler back to life and shoot him in his head and then go to Ireland and get drunk ever day of the week.

[Mackenzie]: None of this will work, If you destroy the government the buildings will not burn

[Absinth Minded]: I will burn the buildings myself.. so of course they will!

[Mackenzie]: er.. *backs away slowely*

[buttered*toast]: yucky...bush reminds me of kitty litter...

[Woah!-man]: o.o the stuff which doesnt clean up the stench.

[Jecka]: hes preasadent shrub

[mbdf_virus]: stop cutting down the trees, start cutting down the bushes

[Mackenzie]: ummm. Bush isn't the problem, the government is. Dont cure the epidemic, instead, eliminate the virus.

[Woah!-man]: o.o are you on about anarchy again?

[mbdf_virus]: theyre both problematic

[Mackenzie]: yes. kind of. I am not really an anarchist.

[Absinth Minded]: I think they are all the problem. The sooner we get them to give us FREE chocolate... then I guess we just really know something is wrong with them.. so too late. Maybe we should just get them to give us chocolate anyway. I would really like some about now..

[Woah!-man]: *gives you some ice cream* thats about the only chocolate i have o_o

[Absinth Minded]: Aww! Thank you!! I needed that! *squeezes*

[Woah!-man]: O_O! careful... squeezes might hurt some one >.<

[Absinth Minded]: No no no! Squeezes do not hurt.. they feel great! They make you feel all loved and stuff! It is wondermous! I am a squishy!! I am someone's squishy and that just makes me happy!! *is happy* ^^

[Woah!-man]: *laughs* squishables ^^

[Absinth Minded]: Hehe!! Yey!! ^^

[Maurer's conclusions]: More Trees Less Bush

[Woah!-man]: oh my, this sounds like a bad tee shirt >.<

[Athena15]: bush is a pussy

[Panda-monium]: lol [Woah!-man].

[Lord Kügenheim]: Say, i was just wondering. Its election time soon right, so that means bush goes out of office (hopefully). So what do you guys think we should do to the wiki once he is gone?

[Lord Kügenheim]: Say, i was just wondering. Its election time soon right, so that means bush goes out of office (hopefully). So what do you guys think we should do to the wiki once he is gone? Rather than just Delete it, i think we should make it into a politics page. something along those lines anyways

[Woah!-man]: i say, it should still be the bush haters association, of all generations?

[Lord Kügenheim]: well, there isnt much point in hating bush when he isnt president is there?

[Maurer's conclusions]: Yes. Perhaps a pro-liberalism page?

[Woah!-man]: that could work. pro-liberal .. but with a mind O_o...

[Maurer's conclusions]: What do you mean "with a mind??"

[Lord Kügenheim]: nah, we wont be "pro" anything. just a place where people can voice there oppinion on current issues and perhaps learn something about whats going on in the world today

[Maurer's conclusions]: Name will have to change, but to what?

[Woah!-man]: Politics Forum ... Politics 'n' stuff? along the lines >_< of something ...

[Lord Kügenheim]: the Politics Playground? Crap i know, but its all i can think of right now... and it uses aliteration!!!

[Maurer's conclusions]: Forum Politicae

[Goldice]: no latin or wateva please

[Peregrinus]: I dunno, I think that sounds great...

[Woah!-man]: it does o_o twists the words around and make it better ^^;

[Maurer's conclusions]: I'm not sure if that is correct, I would have to check...

[Peregrinus]: I always like Latin

[Goldice]: i think we shud have r own elections.elect the person who we think has the best veiws

[Woah!-man]: *blink* what for?

[Goldice]: just 4 fun

[Woah!-man]: *purrs* okie ^^ pick your candidates and go have you fun

[Lord Kügenheim]: hey i have to agree with you Peregrinus, "Forum Politicae" does sound pretty cool, but you know... it doesnt seem fitting somehow...

[Maurer's conclusions]: Pick me!

[Lord Kügenheim]: yeah do it as like a roleplay thing... we could set up a House of Commons and stuff and elect a Prime Minister etc etc... not a bad idea that.

[Maurer's conclusions]: I am the socialist candidate and oryx is my feline assistant

[Goldice]: ok rite wat we need 2 do

[Woah!-man]: *purrs* what first sir ertarkano? lol

[Goldice]: set up page within BHA and set the password so it can be freely edited. then people can put ther names fwd and othas can vote

[Maurer's conclusions]: Spread the message of Socialist-Democracies!! This is your quest female squire Oryx

[Woah!-man]: how do we know who votes for what though? O_o ....

[Lord Kügenheim]: hmm, im not sure..... well i think it would be a good idea to do it the way it is usually done. we list a few parties, set up a list for people to join them then each of them elect a leader. i think that would work.

[Maurer's conclusions]: I am the head of the Party of Socialists

[Lord Kügenheim]: in the meanwhile ill get making the pages!

[Woah!-man]: mmmm... putting yourself a little too forthe yet maybe? *smiles* is it possible to have a poll on a wiki?

[Maurer's conclusions]: It should be, and if not we could inform Hedda and the council that we want to create a user where we can just use a poll there to vote on

[Lord Kügenheim]: that wouldnt work because it would keep getting deleted as someone else will want to use it.

[Woah!-man]: :-/ put a password on the page w/the actual vote on it? and have the parties on another page (with a description of their ideas)

[Lord Kügenheim]: so what parties are we actually going to have? i think 3-5 would be a good number to have.

[Woah!-man]: Socialists, Conservitives (yes, you have to be fair now) .... Liberals/Dems ... Mod Repos?

[Maurer's conclusions]: Communist Socialist Liberal Center Conservative Fascist?

[patient love.]: how can i join?

[Absinth Minded]: What did I miss here?

[Maurer's conclusions]: You missed supporting my Socialist Party (we are going to make a mock parliament)

[Lord Kügenheim]: Right so i think we will have... 1)Communist 2)Socialists 3)Liberals 4)Conservatives. If no one has and disagreements (remember new parties can be added whenever)

[Lord Kügenheim]: now we need to sort people into parties. the wiki is at Parliament and it has links to the other pages. add yourself to ONE of the party pages and then when your all done you can elect a leader.

[Morganath]: he chocked on a pretzle hhheehhee

[Hutch]: and got a black eye in the process

[Woah!-man]: Thank you Lord Kugenheim.

[Goldice]: rite katgirl u did the rite thing.ill add u

[ddsfsfdsfd]: Bush didn't choke on a pretzel he choked on Dick Cheney's cock

[Absinth Minded]: Haha. I want pretzwls now. Osrry I missed that Ert. Wow.. you can like call that the CSLCCF!

[Alkor]: i am GIZMO

[Absinth Minded]: Harrah for GIZMO!!!!! WOOWOO *makes train noises*

[Alkor]: -dances in circles-

[Woah!-man]: oh yea o_o

[Alkor]: heheh....GISMO KICK ASS

[Absinth Minded]: Woohoo!! I guess if you are GIZMO then I am Cheese!

[Alkor]: YAY....join my fan club....anthonys fan club

[Absinth Minded]: OO!! @_@ Fun!

[Alkor]: lol

[Phoenix-X]: HEY WORSHIP YUNIE..AND KILL BUSH!!! IT'S THE LAW!!!